CAA: Christian Anime Alliance

EireWolf wrote:I'm sure the mods had a reason, Vyse. This kind of question should go to PM, instead of derailing someone else's thread about it.

I don't, and I'm tired of being mistreated by the mods for just asking a totally innocent question and having my thread locked

http://www.christiananime.net/showthread.php?t=7647

So I can't ask about a totally legit question that was worrying me but its OKAY to ask questions that come from Hentai and a title thats on the no not discuss list? In this thread?

http://www.christiananime.net/showthread.php?t=12253
And I'm sorry about doing this in public, but I'm tired of being hummilated publically by having my threads locked for doing nothing wrong while others are allowed to ask questions openly. Heck even Ashley said in that thread

"On a more administrative note, keep this thread civil and polite, alright? We can express different opinions without being rude or nasty about it."

No one was being nasty or rude in my thread, and everyone was being very civil and polite, I'm sick of being treated like a troll, and its making me feel very unwelcome here.

I do have to agree, I think I sense a bit of tension from certain people towards Vyse. He's been respectful as far as I've seen, I do not blame him for losing patience with these double standards...

About your first point/question/whatever: Theology debates aren't allowed. The thread wasn't locked because of anything against YOU, it's just that that particular topic seemed doomed to become a theology debate.

Your second question: Mentioning 'black-listed' titles is not a crime. It was simply used as an example. The thread remained open because 1) it was a non-theological question and 2) nobody got into an argument.
Ashley asked that everyone remain civil simply because that sort of thread can become an argument-starter.

Finally, the mods have arbitrary, total power - while you (or I) may not agree with their every decision, they have every right to do whatever it is they please on these boards, no matter how unfair. While I understand how you feel, it's not that big of a deal, and the mods have the right to do as they see fit.

hmmm

*glomps vyse* i love ya bro!!!!

The thread that asked a question from hentai is one i started. The question itself could have come from any source. It didnt have to come from hentai. Anyway ive talked to ashley about whether i should edit my posts and she said i should refrain from mentioning any hentai titles again. Fair enough.

Maybe the reason your thread was locked out was because it's more of a theology issue though rather than it being offensive or rude.

panegryst wrote:Your second question: Mentioning 'black-listed' titles is not a crime. It was simply used as an example. The thread remained open because 1) it was a non-theological question and 2) nobody got into an argument.
Ashley asked that everyone remain civil simply because that sort of thread can become an argument-starter.

I know it was just being used as an example, I was just saying it was there.
Also Nobody was arguing in my thread either. And asking a question about making a pact with satan is VERY thelogical.

The thread that asked a question from hentai is one i started. The question itself could have come from any source. It didnt have to come from hentai. Anyway ive talked to ashley about whether i should edit my posts and she said i should refrain from mentioning any hentai titles again. Fair enough.

Maybe the reason your thread was locked out was because it's more of a theology issue though rather than it being offensive or rude.

Actually don't get me wrong, I have no problem with you thread, if you have a queston about your spirtual welfare thats bothering you should be allowed to ask it, as everyone else should be.

I understand where you're coming from. I have to confess sometime's I'm a little agitated by some of the things you post (for a bad reason on my part most of the time). Will you forgive me? (this is a big deal for me I don't open myself up for rejection that much) ....

While I do think you've handled things pretty respectively, we have to remember that posting here is a privlege (which can easily be taken away) not a right. When you signed up agreeing to the rules, your forfeited your rights... in a way... so that the adminastration now has the right to edit your posts or do with them as they like. Granted this doesn't mean they can abuse this privledge (sp?).

While I can see where you're coming from I can also see where the mods are coming from. The question you rose in the Sunday thread was a theological thing and we've been asked to do that in the Theologyweb place. Even if you don't agree you should respect Ashley's judgment and not question it.

Sorry if i came across in the wrong way anywhere in there. If I did I didn't mean to. I hope it came across respectfully.

*hugs Vyse* You're not a troll, I love ya, man! =D

I don't think your thread was offenseive, nor a debate. No one seemed to be knocking any elbows. I'm hesitant to register at a board where I might only post once or twice, and the CAA is here for us fellow Christians to discuss our faith in a civil manner, am I corrent? Heh...sorry if I offended anyone, this is just my personal take.

Vyse wrote:I'm sick of being treated like a troll, and its making me feel very unwelcome here.

I'm sorry Vyse, but in this very thread you are in fact acting like a troll. You could resolve this in a mature manner, by PMing the mods, in a civil and respectful manner, as I suggested. They are reasonable people. They will explain to you what is up with the locked threads. They do have their reasons.

This thread only comes across as whining. I'm sorry if you feel you're being singled out, but this kind of behavior doesn't help your case any.

Yes of course I'll forgive you ^_^


And I'd be perfectly fine with accepting her decsion, as long as everyone else is treated in the same way. And part of the reason I don't go to theoweb is that a lot aren't friendly like people are here.

Kat Walker wrote:I do have to agree, I think I sense a bit of tension from certain people towards Vyse. He's been respectful as far as I've seen, I do not blame him for losing patience with these double standards...

Yeah, totally.

Even though he is a bit... well, adamant about certain topics, he's been very respectful. I should know - I've chatted with him and seen his posts.

I think we should unlock the thread in question. There hasn't been a debate yet... and Theology.whatever (Yes, I've been there before... good grief.) may not be the best place to go for this one. Some atheist may decide to butt in and argue for the sake of arguing there while here, we're civil and decent and only offer opinions. In the case of this thread, people were supporting their opinions with scripture. Does it make a debate when you support your opinions with scripture? (I thought we were Christians!)

Let's just unlock the thread. It's not hurting anyone's feelings. It's just an advice thread.

EireWolf wrote:I'm sorry Vyse, but in this very thread you are in fact acting like a troll. You could resolve this in a mature manner, by PMing the mods, in a civil and respectful manner, as I suggested. They are reasonable people. They will explain to you what is up with the locked threads. They do have their reasons.

This thread only comes across as whining. I'm sorry if you feel you're being singled out, but this kind of behavior doesn't help your case any.

Yes last time I tried that I got "warned" for being "stubron".

I believe Ashley was doing that as a precautionary measure. Oh well I'm not gonna say anything more already discussed this with ya.

Yojimbo wrote:I believe Ashley was doing that as a precautionary measure. Oh well I'm not gonna say anything more already discussed this with ya.

... isn't this a little extreme? Ashley's given warnings before in threads that have come close to debate before locking them down...

::shrug::

But then, what do I know?

Vyse wrote:Yes last time I tried that I got "warned" for being "stubron".

Perhaps you were not being respectful, then?

Vyse, I don't know how old you are, but you're acting like a child here. Get over it.

Sorry to be so harsh, but the mods have a hard enough job as it is without people questioning everything they do and disrespecting their decisions.

Furthermore, the REASON this is such a nice place to hang out is that debates are not permitted. If they were permitted, this place would rapidly degrade and become like every other site out there.

EireWolf wrote:Perhaps you were not being respectful, then?

Vyse, I don't know how old you are, but you're acting like a child here. Get over it.

Sorry to be so harsh, but the mods have a hard enough job as it is without people questioning everything they do and disrespecting their decisions.

Furthermore, the REASON this is such a nice place to hang out is that debates are not permitted. If they were permitted, this place would rapidly degrade and become like every other site out there.

20 actually.

And I won't "get over" not being treated fairly. And if you want to flame me by saying I'm acting like a child go ahead, I've tried my best to be respectful here I just wish that people would give me that same respect.

There was NO debating going on, everyone was giving their opinions just like Ashley said to do in that other thread, whats the difference?

*nod nod to Eirewolf*

Vyse now you're just blowing it out of porportion and making matters worse. No offense

None taken, even if you think I'm blowing it out of proportion, its how I feel, and what I've observed.

What I find funny is that when someone (who is a VERY NEW Christian, mind you) asks a question -- e.g. regarding how to keep the Sabbath holy -- the thread is locked. On the flipside, the thread about everyone's "Patron Saint" was left open. (Considering not every part of Christianity believes in the Saints, that's a little bit more volatile than the Sabbath, in my humble opinion.)

Go figure. ^_^ Guess it's just a crazy world.

I agree. I have noticed in many threads that there is, it seems, some amount of hostility toward Vyse. It angers me when people are treated unfairly, and personally, I do not think he's whining. He's possesses the same rights as others. While he may be argumentive in some threads, he is only being firm and standing up for his beliefs, something that I believe many of us do not do as often as we should.

::waits for mods::

Frankly, I don't think he's blowing everything out of proportion. He's been shut down a lot of times before.

::shrug::

Let's see what goes on.

Staci wrote:What I find funny is that when someone (who is a VERY NEW Christian, mind you) asks a question -- e.g. regarding how to keep the Sabbath holy -- the thread is locked. On the flipside, the thread about everyone's "Patron Saint" was left open. (Considering not every part of Christianity believes in the Saints, that's a little bit more volatile than the Sabbath, in my humble opinion.)

Go figure. ^_^ Guess it's just a crazy world.

The thread you mention was probably created for people who do believe in that such a thing. The people who don't just stayed out of it. ^v^

Vyse, sometimes I do think you're targeted, but I'm not sure. I think that people are maybe scared of the way you say things, even if you really mean nothing wrong~ Maybe they just aren't sure of your opinions.

Sometimes I think the administrators have the power to think that a thread will "explode" into debate! But you say there weren't any arguments in your thread... so... let's wait until one of them actually come. ^-^

First off Vyse, I do indeed wish you would have approached myself or another staffer with this before you made this public. This isn't to hide anything or silence your opinion, but rather follow biblical procedures. ""If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over." -- Matthew 18:15 But since you have chosen to make this a public ordeal, I will respond to you in kind.

Did you notice the date on your Sabbath thread? I hate to sound judgemental here, but it sounds like you've been holding a grudge for quite some time now. And I remember very distinctly explaining to you (if not myself, I at least remember speaking to another staffer about what they told you) as to why that thread was closed. Yet you obviously chose not to move on and locked it away in your heart for such a moment as this; am I wrong? That isn't exactly the best way to try to prove your point.

Now, on to the heart of the matter. You're really comparing apples to oranges here with these threads. Yours was a very specific, denominational-hinged question about observing the Sabbath. You would merit all manner of different opinions on this which in turn could, and from my experience with forums 98% of the time would, degrade into denominational warfare. Not something I, or my staff, want to deal with, to say nothing of the destructive nature of such threads.

The more recent thread on death was not quite so specific--it was more a general Christianity question that 99.9% of all Christians would answer the same way towards (that doesn't mean if you answered differently than the majority you aren't Christian, so no one even begin that argument). Can you see the difference? One was made by a new member, possibly a non-believer, and the other was a more nitty-gritty "finer points of theology" question. And yes, they mentioned a hentai title but they were spoken to about that.

And I'm sorry about doing this in public, but I'm tired of being hummilated publically by having my threads locked for doing nothing wrong while others are allowed to ask questions openly

When has anyone every publically humilated you? At most, you simply ask the wrong questions at the wrong place. Let me make this clear. CAA is not here to answer your every question about Christianity: we do not have the time, resources, or capabilities to handle that. That's what your local pastors and churches are for; we're not a substitute for that. General questions about Christianity from a non-believer, however, are totally different because we may be the only Christian influence in this person's life.

"On a more administrative note, keep this thread civil and polite, alright? We can express different opinions without being rude or nasty about it."

No one was being nasty or rude in my thread, and everyone was being very civil and polite, I'm sick of being treated like a troll, and its making me feel very unwelcome here.

As for my note--check out any number of touchy threads. The majority of the time, either myself or another staffer will post a similiar message. That's because we believe in precautionary measures rather than reactionary clean up. To put it simply, we're not a clean up crew, we're more like a bomb squad. I would hope furthermore you'd have the maturity to realize that such comments are not directed at you personally.

As for people sensing "tension" or "unfairness" towards you (Vyse), I can't tell you how much that frustrates me. You have no idea how much work we put into wording things just right, or handling situations so that it is as fair as possible. Of course there are members that grate our nerves, but that's why we have a larger staff--everyone knows to ask someone else to deal with the members they have a hard time speaking to without losing their lids. And yet for all this, after all the love, prayer and work we put into managing threads, we're labeled as biased or unfair. Have you ever thought that perhaps the problem isn't in the administration? If you want to know why a good number of your threads are being closed, why not start to examine yourself instead of pointing the finger at us and saying the staff hates you? The same could be said of any member here--we love you guys and we love to serve you; trust me no one here is in it for the money (because there isn't any) or the glory (likewise). As we have advised you in the past, speaking with a voice of gentility and being open to others opinions would greatly decrease the number of threads you start that end up closed.

Lastly, about what is or is not shut down: this is a matter left totally to the decision of the administrators or the mods on hand at the time. This staff is hand-picked of people I trust to make judgements for me when I cannot. They have a sense of what will and will not fly. Thus, what may seem arbitrary to you really does have a reason, and if you ask any of us about it nicely we will happily explain. I'm sorry Tweb isn't as friendly as this place but as I stated we're simply not cut out to be your Christianity Q&A place.

""If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over." -- Matthew 18:15 But since you have chosen to make this a public ordeal, I will respond to you in kind.

Yes, as I said, last time I this via PM you warned me for being "stubron"

Oh I did move on, its just hard when you see reminders about it. Just like I did today. And no domination clashing? That could be the same about the saint's thread. And Ash, you could've given a warning just like you gave the thread today. This may fustarate you Ash, but it fustrates me too, and I'm not that can see I'm being treated unfairly, just read the replies in this thread.

I'm sorry Tweb isn't as friendly as this place but as I stated we're simply not cut out to be your Christianity Q&A place.

Thats fine, just make it the same for everyone.

As we have advised you in the past, speaking with a voice of gentility and being open to others opinions would greatly decrease the number of threads you start that end up closed.

And how was that not being done in the sabbeth thread?

I do not belive I saw the part in our FAQ that said our staff was a perfect unflawed super being. If you wonder why it seems you get "picked on" more then other members. Perhaps that could be because you like to hit hot topic issues 10 times more then any other members. "The nail that sticks up the highest gets hammered"


Edit: How many times you plan on editing that post Vyse?

I think I'm done editing it, I accidently hit the enter button and submited a blank post so I had to go back a couple times to get quotes. My applogies.

Vyse in the throes of my own immaturity I had issues with the mods and admin here. Those who know me know exactly those issues for a time. Thankfully, God took me through this, and made me listen and I finally opened my ears to His voice. I had to grow up.

Now, I have the utmost respect for Ashley and the rest who represent the staff here. They are who God has placed in charge. If you have a problem with them, you are always free to leave.

However, I would suggest you try and grow up. God teaches the teachable - so start learning. ^__^

Please, don't try and get a group of dissenters together here to knock down the staff. You have got your own following I see, and be wary before you start playing the wolf in this fold of sheep. Do you really want to be used in that way?

Please listen to Ashley, you still have a lot of growing up to do.