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Is it wrong

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:57 am
by Mr. SmartyPants
Is it wrong that i work at my dad's liquor store? He owns a store downtown. I'm 15, so i don't SELL anything. BUt i stock up stuff, such as beer, and wine, and that sort of stuff.

I was always wondering if it was sinful for me to be working at a liqour store. ANd is it sinful that my dad owns a liqour store?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:14 am
by Technomancer
Mr. SmartyPants wrote:Is it wrong that i work at my dad's liquor store? He owns a store downtown. I'm 15, so i don't SELL anything. BUt i stock up stuff, such as beer, and wine, and that sort of stuff.

I was always wondering if it was sinful for me to be working at a liqour store. ANd is it sinful that my dad owns a liqour store?


Since many Christians do not see anything intrinsically sinful about consuming alcohol (and thus buying or selling it as well), I wouldn't think so. Of course, this is a question that varies from denomination to denomination, but it's a pretty safe bet that the majority of Christians do not condemn wine or other drinks as being sinful (e.g. Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc). IOW, it's not really a big thing at least from my perspective, and it's honest work.

As far as your working their goes, there is the other issue of your age. In some jurisdictions (such as where I live), one must be over a certain age in order to work in a liquor store. This will depend on where you live though.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:01 am
by Hitokiri
It's a job and nothing sinful bout it. As long as you dont consume it, it's perfectly fine.

Drinking alchohol isn't sinful. But obsessing it and drinking to the point of drunkeness IS sinful.

I'll take my dad for an example, he's my role-model, everything i want to be. A very Godly man and a loving father and husband. Every night htough he has 2 or 3 beers as he watches t.v. Is that wrong? of course not. Cause he knows how to moderate himself and keep himself steady. He doesn't drink to the point where his head is in the toilet.

Thats what's sinful. No now, just by working there isnt sinful. though some over-conservative christians may have a thing with you working there :eyeroll: (like one of my friends)

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:11 am
by Mr. SmartyPants
well, my family said that as long as i don't SELL anything, or do the lottery or anything. Then i'm fine

^_^ thanks guys

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:36 pm
by cbwing0
I agree...there is nothing intrinsically sinful about selling (or consuming) alcohol. However, there is one scenario in which it would be problematic. If you knowingly sold alcohol to an alcoholic, then that would be facilitating the self-destruction of a fellow human being, which is sinful.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:07 pm
by anime-girl
I agree to as long as you dont drink it i think it is fine to work at liquor store.If you were drinking it that would be a totally different story but you arnt so its all good.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:09 pm
by anime-girl
Mr. SmartyPants wrote:well, my family said that as long as i don't SELL anything, or do the lottery or anything. Then i'm fine

^_^ thanks guys


your very very welcome.Any time :angel:

PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:29 am
by Kisa
I agree, there is nothing wrong with it. As with the alcohol issue I feel that it is only wrong when done in excess . . .
I would think youre fine though . . . no worries ^^

PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:04 am
by Mangafanatic
So long as you ain't sellin' anything and it doesn't cause you to desire alchohol, I'd say it's fine.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:01 pm
by Fsiphskilm
USA law

PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:13 pm
by Stephen
Your wrong Volt, I work at a grocery store where we have 2 alcohol isles. And the age there is 15 up. And because a law seems unfair...that does not mean we can break it...just thought I would toss that out there.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:20 am
by Mr. SmartyPants
it's my dad's privately owned store... it's nto a big store. And i'm nto an offical "emplyee", its kind of me just helping there and also getting paid.. i don't know if that's same or anything

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:21 pm
by Raskle
wine and so forth were regular drinks in the Bible. It's not wrong, only getting drunk, but you can't necessarily tell customers you won't sell to them unless they promise to drink in moderation. I'd consider it a job, like any other job. I mean, it's healthier than working at a fast food place.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:26 pm
by shooraijin
LOL! I never thought of it -that- way ...

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:35 pm
by Vyse
Shatterheart wrote:Your wrong Volt, I work at a grocery store where we have 2 alcohol isles. And the age there is 15 up. And because a law seems unfair...that does not mean we can break it...just thought I would toss that out there.


What about copyright laws?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:49 pm
by Ashley
Vyse, for once can we please not hijack a thread and degrade it into quibbling?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:55 pm
by Vyse
I asked a legit question, I'm not quibbling.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:00 pm
by Ashley
Let's not play childish games here, Vyse. We both know exactly what's going on--haven't you had enough of butting heads with the staff for one week? Enough. Anything else posted meant to stir up debate and bring this thread off topic will be deleted without warning. Now, feel free to carry on with the discussion everyone.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:35 pm
by Vyse
This isn't a game, I asked a question and I would like an answer. Why can't I have an answer? I promise I won't respond in any way, I just wanted to see his answer on why copyright laws would be different.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:49 pm
by Mr. SmartyPants
um... how WOULD copyright laws tie in with this? im confusssssed

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:00 pm
by Vyse
Never mind that ^_^ Anyways... I'd say follow your heart and convictions... if you don't feel right doing this, then don't do it.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:34 am
by Fsiphskilm
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:30 am
by Vyse
Yeah I think Volt's right, different states have different rules about it, Smarty pants, maybe you should look online for a copy of your states laws. Also personally... I wouldn't feel comfortable working for a store that only sells a substance that indirectly ends so many lives.... but thats just me personally.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:49 am
by Technomancer
From everything I've read, the liquor laws in the US tend to vary quite a bit, even to the point of absurdity.

Apparently for example
It's illegal to sit on any street curb in St. Louis, Missouri, and drink beer from a bucket.


http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/FunFacts/ItsTheLaw.html

In most Canadian provinces, alcohol can only be purchased in liquor stores which are owned by the provincial government.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:44 am
by Stephen
Yeah I think Volt's right, different states have different rules about it, Smarty pants, maybe you should look online for a copy of your states laws. Also personally... I wouldn't feel comfortable working for a store that only sells a substance that indirectly ends so many lives.... but thats just me personally.


People die every year in car wrecks....should we all return to riding horses?

As for the laws..I live in Maine...which typicaly tends to be annoying on laws. I could understand the stricter laws in say...Cali, or New York. But for the most part I would imagine only selling alcohol is fine for people of legal working age.

And one last thing about Alcohol as it pertains to the Bible. I assume you respect Jesus and Paul right? Both gave others or advised others to drink at one point or another. Read your Bible.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:29 am
by Vyse
I know people die in car crashes every year, I'm just saying what I personally would(or in this case wouldn't) feel comfortable doing.

I know what it says in the Bible. And I never said it was wrong for a person to drink, just for people to abuse it. And then again, they didn't have drunk driving back in the days of the Bible either, and it does say in the Bible not to get drunk. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't feel comfortable selling it because a lot of people do get drunk and drive, but thats just my opinion.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:51 am
by Mithrandir
Vyse:
Noted. Thank you for not escalating. Returning to the topic at hand...

MSP:
I think it's going to end up being on your concensce. Have you addressed your concerns to your parents recently? I'm sure there may be somethings they know about that we don't.

Others:
*sigh*

As far as the alchohol question in general, it's a tough subject. That daily drinking post in particular sets off an alarm for me - but that's not the only concern. I'd watch my family members very carefully if I were you. Don't nit pick, and keep discussions level-headed, but raise your concerns, if you have them. If it's causing you stress, it's already affecting the family. Remember - just because you aren't an alcoholic doesn't mean your drinking might not be affecting someone else in your family - and that IS your responsibility.