I dont believe that it was my choice
Solid Ronin (post: 1450372) wrote:Wasn't my choice to be born a sinner either, doesn't stop me from trying to make myself better.
I'm disgusted at you all, You all wanna shake this man's hand just for being a sinner, I have a porn problem, where the hell is my parade?
Solid Ronin (post: 1450372) wrote:
I'm disgusted at you all, You all wanna shake this man's hand just for being a sinner, I have a porn problem, where the hell is my parade?
LadyRushia wrote:the majority of gays, lesbians, and other LGBT folks don't want to be that way
To encourage an LGBT person to be straight or be the man/woman they were born as, even if it's done in the nicest most loving manner possible, can still come across as not being accepting/respectful of that person and not understanding where they're coming from.
airi wrote: does it make you a homophobe if you don't want to be exposed to public displays of it?
Atria wrote:Seriously, as a woman I have a habit of falling in love with gay men.
Cognitive Gear (post: 1450393) wrote:Now, I would say that being open about having a porn problem is brave as well, but I don't think it's stigmatized in the same way.
Er, I don't think that's correct. Most of them don't go "I wish I was straight." Most of them just wish they could be accepted by people, that they could be free to be who they are without getting bullied or lynched or discriminated against.
Yuki-Anne wrote:It is also my conviction that it is possible to be both wrong and Christian simultaneously.
I appriciate it Nate.Nate (post: 1450443) wrote:I will state publicly that while I appreciate your sentiment, TG, and think that it is a very good pledge and I wish everyone here would be true to it, I have voiced my concerns about it in PM so as not to turn this into an ugly debate.
TGJesusfreak (post: 1450430) wrote:I have a proposal for all of us to consider. you dont have to think it is a sin. this is for both sides of this debate.
Can we all make a pledge to try and take in the Gay's and Lesbians of our community? Because, if it is a sin, then the deep love of God has a chance to change them, and if it's not a sin, then we have done the great commision and spread the message of Jesus.
I hearby pledge not to EVER judge or treat a gay or lesbian any different than I would any other person because no matter the case, we are all sinners.
Anyone who agrees with me I encourage, no matter what side you're o, to join me in this pledge.
TopazRaven (post: 1450453) wrote:I'll join you most definitly! As for your second post about respect TG, I know it's something I personally need to work on. I've stayed away from this thread for awhile because I knew I'd just end up saying something offensive and rude to those whose opinions differ from mine. In the end I'm really glad you made this thread though, as Christians we DO need to learn how to accept, love and respect others. Even if they don't agree with us.
I have to say that this is always a struggle for me as well. I admit it. Loving no matter what without conditions is WAY harder than people give it credit for.Hat wrote:In my Film as Literature class we recently watched the film Philadelphia, which is a movie about discrimination, specifically about gays. I grew noticeably uncomfortable, I didn't want to watch this. It really challenged me to actually follow this idea of loving the sinner and hating the sin. It makes me realize something about myself, and really how uncomfortable it made me feel. I knew I could agree with the message without compromising my beliefs, yet I didn't want to watch it, because of how foreign a sin it is to me. I've wanted to hurt someone or lusted, but I've never wanted to be gay. So I resolve to try to be understanding, and while I certainly don't want to do anything harmful to a gay, it would be and is difficult for me to interact with anything more than the basic politeness I try to give everyone. I also have a hard enough time interacting with straight people I don't really know, so add on that extra level and it makes for something I'd have to struggle with.
TGJesusfreak (post: 1450466) wrote:I have to say that this is always a struggle for me as well. I admit it. Loving no matter what without conditions is WAY harder than people give it credit for.
Mr. SmartyPants (post: 1450470) wrote:I am glad you posted this. =) This is one of the biggest things about Christianity which I think people miss. It's hard because it makes us vulnerable and weak. But as Paul writes, when I am weak then I am strong. Weakness is true strength, yes?
As Dostoevsky once wrote, "Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing compared to love in dreams." Very true, right? =)
And remember this: There is no such thing as conditional love. Love by definition must be unconditional. When your love begins to have conditions, it is no longer love because it is no longer reflective of God's grace.
TopazRaven (post: 1450472) wrote:TG, I hope you didn't think I was actually calling you a hypocrite, because that wasn't my intention at all. 0.o
Meanwhile I agree with you completly, wither you think being gay is a sin or not you should love people no matter who they are or what their sexuality is. Also, you do a very great service by taking care of your sister! Some people wouldn't even want to try.
TGJesusfreak (post: 1450466) wrote:I just feel that respect has been lost today to political correctness. and that we cant disagree openly without the opposite side being evil. I was afraid that this thread would turn into a "Gay hater thread" but I am glad to see that people are willing to stand up and act the way that they are, christian.
SolidRonin wrote:Wasn't my choice to be born a sinner either, doesn't stop me from trying to make myself better.
So if a gay person wants to be in a monogamous homosexual relationship with another gay person, I think Christians should be okay with this.
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